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Time to speak up on something! (LONG journal)

Journal Entry: Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:28 PM
Well before I get to what I need to get to....comics....oh yeah I got a lot coming.  Before Unicon my goal is 2 more comics and 2 more DBZ pony pics.  I want DBZ Dash and DBZ Alicorn Twilight done...DBZ Dash is kick @$$.  :D  SO yeah stay tuned for that.  


Now here's the main journal topic.  Hope you hear me out on this cause I think it's time someone with a stronger voice in the fandom spoke on this.  It's long so if you want to read it not here....go to this docs.google.com/document/d/18g….


Ok…now comes a topic I really have been dying to speak up about.  This is becoming an annoyance not just with me but many people in the fandom.  Bear with me on this cause it's a LOT of stuff.  It may seem it's just about me whining or complaining but this will try and be as critical but respectable as possible.  I've been noticing a lot of problem with the Equestria Daily site lately it frankly it's really pissed me off and now I hit the breaking point….again.


Here's the main issue…people have to understand EQD is one man's site.  It's Sethisto's site....a blog if you will and it's always been like that.  It's not an independent news site which the fandom DESPERATELY needs and one free from controversy on being bias to certain musicians/artists/writers.  EQD is not built like one….and whatever he WANTS to put on, goes up and that has angered a significant amount of people in the fandom.  Weird huh.  I've seen many inconsistent things with the site and it's just really getting weird.  Random stuff like what goes into posts, the news that is posted, convention news that gets delayed for days, etc.  Just a bunch of stuff that has irked me.   Lately I've sent in all my comics but only ONE in my last 8 comics has been featured.  Why?  Well I don't know why.  They don't tell anyone anymore if their stuff will go up or not.  Not even a simple "to the queue" anymore.  It's frustrating beyond belief and I know my comics aren't for the target demographic of the fandom.  They are more general but do they care…..actually no which is surprising to me because I know many other artists that are like me.


Anyway moving away from me, there's another problem I'm seeing and that is musicians and their share of the spotlight.  I'm in very good standing with plenty of the musicians and I feel their annoyance when they don't get feedback from stuff they send in.  It all gets mashed into the music of the day post sometimes.  Remember how that was supposed to be an everyday thing?  Well I clearly haven't seen that live up to the hype or standard of putting the music from THAT day out.  I've seen so much duplicate music in there it's really frustrating for a new musician who may have got a new song good enough to make it into that only to get push aside by a song featured in a previous one.


A third thing what I think if more frustrating are the Drawfriends and god knows how they can be.  Some things are getting in there 2 and 3 times.  That's just maddening to see that.  Sure it's comical to a point but if this is supposed to be the #1 site in the fandom shouldn't there be like a filter or something on that?  That's just giving more exposure to a piece that has already gotten in.  I remember on a few comic posts I've seen that which is actually more embarrassing than comical.  I really miss how the Drawfriends usually would be at night rather during the middle of the day.  You could get an idea for how much art was done on that one entire day and it was just a cool thing to see how much art was done and it was usually at a fixed time.  Now it's all over the place on when it's featured.


Fourth, I just want to tackle this one.  The issue of contests and standards.  It's no secret EQD has raised their standards since August and that REALLY hurt the middle person in the fandom and actually it's affected me as well.  They aren't posting my stuff and others anymore because of their new standard of trying to showcase the top 15% of the fandom.  Trust me I know this.  How in the hell is the middleman artist/musician suppose to get noticed if he/she can't make it past that insanely high standard.  I remember when EQD took roughly the top 40% of the fandom's work.  It was still high but it wasn't impossible for the average artist to say "hey I got featured, thanks!".  Now you RARELY see that…the standards are so high that it's killing what made the site great in the first place.   Remember how EQD used to do banner contests?  Remember how they did holiday contests?  Remember how they used to make music posts feature people by Vocal, remix, etc?  Now it's all thrown into the music of the day post which is insanely lazy to me.  I know the site is more "business like" now but that's just not true at all because it's STILL A BLOG and whatever one guy says goes.  That's not a business like site….it's borderline dictatorship if you have that much power on what is suppose to be a FAN BASED site.


Oh, I didn't touch on the fanfic writers and I apologize for that.  You guys do have fan fiction but I do respect fanfics getting a chance to get on EQD.  Share the wealth.  Again I want to see an independent site open up and Everfree Network will be launching one up like that where it will allow many more people to get a chance to show off what they got to offer up.  It will still have standards but not the "top 15%" or something standards EQD appears to have set now.  


Lastly, I did pitch many new ideas to the Equestria Daily staff to make stuff fairer for everyone and one was to give comic artist/musicians the chance to get featured in a unique way.  Group the "popular people" stuff into separate feature posts and assign them to specific days of the week.  The rest you can designate for the middle of the road or less well known people for other days of the week.  It's a win-win for everyone…..but they denied it which I was actually not surprised.  I also told them to hire more staff if they were concerned about so much new content coming into the site and they didn't want to do that.  


Anyway let me know what you think.  Sorry if this was so long.  Call me a jerk if you want or you can agree with what I said but again I just wanted to share what many people are feeling like in the fandom to this issue.  IDK why people haven't been speaking out if they were afraid or the backlash that comes with it but I'm not afraid to speak what's on my mind.  People who know me know how vocal I can be so I'll be curious to read and see if other people will share their opinions more.  For the middle of the road artists to get a chance to get more exposure and anytime you can help out the smaller people in the fandom I'm for it.  Let EQD know how you feel....it's the only way they MAY change.

  • Mood: Frustrated
  • Listening to: MLP music!
  • Reading: Twilight's books
  • Watching: the Great and Powerful Trixie
  • Playing: with Owlicious
  • Eating: Hay fries
  • Drinking: Berry Punch
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:iconominousprime7:
Ominousprime7 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
I am surprised to read all these comics on here. I would have expected a higher support. I can understand your issues with this problem and I agree. The issues which arise being that if this website is the number 1 location for information on the community (which it seems it is) then news gets regurgitated and contributors are going to remain unknown for quite a while.

I love these comics and there is no need for them to remain hidden. if I finish my story and it gets somewhat popular I would like it to be featured on EQD as well. I have no expectation of their acceptance but I'm alright with that. Regardless, they need to fix some things.

Hope the best for ya. Looking forward to DBZ Dash. Not sure how it can compare to Derpy though. OH! You should do a Derpy vs RD DBZ style! Similar to ponyKillerx's idea. [link]
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:iconrookieowl:
RookieOwl Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Meh I only look on there for news, when it comes to any kind of art that's why I'm on DA :meow:
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:iconstoogal:
Stoogal Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013
its comics about a kids show not being uploaded to a website being run by adults. stop making it bigger than it really is.
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:iconominousprime7:
Ominousprime7 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
A comic about a kid's show not being uploaded to a website being ran by adults who are fans of a kid's show in support for the fandom of said show.

Therefore, your logic is flawed.
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:iconstoogal:
Stoogal Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013
are you blind? you make the show more than what it really is. its a show about colored horses for girls age 4-12. gudnight little jimmy.
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:iconominousprime7:
Ominousprime7 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013
My name is Little Billy.
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:icontoxic-mario:
Toxic-Mario Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
huh?
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:iconfiradart:
firadart Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013
Jut there for the pictures and comics. Nothing more, nothing less.
But didn't I see your art a lot on your site?i mean most of the pony artist on my deviant watch had come from there.
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RaenBoow Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Grammatics are important. Therefore I will question certain words here if that's ok :)

First: "EQD is one man's site." I have so far been under this impression myself :thumbsup:

Second: "They don't tell anyone anymore if their stuff will go up or not." ... " They are more general but do they care"

Now: If it's a ONE MAN's site... then why do you write "They"? Please explain fully.
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:iconfundz64:
Fundz64 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can answer that

The 'impression' you and many others get that EqD is run by 'one' person is the fact the website is basically run by *Sethisto's image.
However, Toxic implied 'they' because our dear Seth doew in fact have a small group of moderators that help him generate the website; to deal not only with emails of feature-requests and events, but also news and marketing. You see that banner on the side? '10% off code on Welovefine'? It didn't find it's way there by accident. ;)

true, it might be better to have more helping hands- but that's only for the chief-in-staff to decide for that.

speaking from experience...
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:iconraenboow:
RaenBoow Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I see :) Though I didn't really mean that I believed that only one man was running it. I just thought he made it sound like that though. That's why I reacted.

Thanks for updating me ;)
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:iconbrian577:
brian577 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013
Looks like you've got people talking. [link]
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:icontoxic-mario:
Toxic-Mario Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well that's all I originally intended...you need discussion
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:iconfundz64:
Fundz64 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay, i'm gunna put my hand in the fire for this one - but I look at this 'dillema' differently...

Instead of pointing the finger at people that don't accept your artwork as you portray it to be
why don't you point the finger to yourself for not making enough of an improvement?


the sword can cut both ways and I tend not to try to please other people with my works
I'd be miserable drawing things other people wanted me to draw

so instead:
"I draw what Ii like
and I like what I draw."


if other people like it: awesome! we share a point of view!
if they don't: well... Deviant Art has MAwNY artists talents and point of views... for those who criticize my work, i ask what they disapprove. If they make a valid point, I try to improve my techniques for the next drawing

no use of crying over spilled milk... EqD is popular, but being featured isn't going to make my drawings look any better.

:twocents: :abduction: you may take me now
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:iconchalkzoned:
ChalkZoned Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Student General Artist
:iconslowclapplz:
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:iconraenboow:
RaenBoow Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Student Digital Artist
EqD is popular, but being featured isn't going to make my drawings look any better.

:iconSealOfRaenBoowApprovalPlz: :thumbsup:
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:iconfundz64:
Fundz64 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you, it's my religion i live by- plus it gets me free candy! :meow:

by the way, that icon image isn't loading up... is it because it's NSFW or because there's a typo? :bucktooth:
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:iconraenboow:
RaenBoow Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
The problem is that it doesn't excist XD

Please don't cry ;__;
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:iconfundz64:
Fundz64 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
no promises
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:icontoxic-mario:
Toxic-Mario Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*throws Funds into outer space. :P
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:iconveggie55:
Veggie55 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So, you have a disdain for EQD, yet you still want your work to been regularly featured on the website you personally loathe?
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:iconsnoipeh:
Snoipeh Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You just got owned Tox, nice job Veggie.
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:iconveggie55:
Veggie55 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Please, I'm not trying to 'own' anyone.
I'm merely curious
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:iconsnoipeh:
Snoipeh Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Suit yourself, it's just he makes these rant journals quite often.
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:icontoxic-mario:
Toxic-Mario Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Notice I was being more critical than anything.
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:iconwhibbleton:
Whibbleton Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Lol Bam!
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:iconfundz64:
Fundz64 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
DOUBLE BAM
deviantART muro drawing Comment Drawing
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:iconasylum1388:
asylum1388 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

Toxic, you need to get in contact with :iconguiltyspark06:. He's been saying this for a while now.
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AetherElemental Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've got nothing to add.
I admit that I've never looked at the site, or indeed, any fan site aside from MLP.wikia which I use to get screenshots. Does this make me lazy? Maybe. Uninformed? Definitely.
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:iconohcf:
OHCF Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013
Oh, and before I forget, let's go back to last year:
THIS, got a free pass and a feature back after it was made: Two guesses as to what this comic is :P

And before that the WereLuna pic 'incident' back in November of 2012, where Tox FORGOT to put his logo on it, it DID get on one of the EQD 'Drawfriends' ....until after we told him it was up there, and he realized his logo wasn't ON it, he went and fixed that by updating the image....
The image then VANISHED off EQD.:iconpoofplz:

Someone, logic that.

In the meantime, :icontrollestiaplz: is raising the :iconthesunplz:, which means it's time to defy the sun by going to sleep.
:icondiscordtrollplz::iconsays3plz:"Problem, Princess?"
:iconangrysunplz: !
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elgregorPL Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013
I have visited EQD like 2-3 times in my life... DA is my source of ponies.
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:iconpirill-poveniy:
Pirill-Poveniy Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013
Ahem..*clears throat* as it usually happens with arguments like these the truth is somewhere in the middle. EQD has a lot of faults, no doubt about it, but I don't think you're entirely right either. :twocents:

"people have to understand EQD is one man's site. It's Sethisto's site....a blog if you will and it's always been like that."
Exactly, it's a personal blog, just a very popular one, you can criticize or suggest improvements as much as you'd like, but it's up to Seth to decide what goes as him and his crew decide how it's run. You can't deny it's popularity however nor say that on the whole it's an objectively bad site, because I don't think it is. I still go around there daily and if it really was that bad or if someone could do the work they do BETTER, then I'd be all for supporting them instead of EQD.

"only ONE in my last 8 comics has been featured."
Ah, now this is the spiny problem which I think reaaally brings down the worth of your post. You clearly have a personal vendetta with Seth and the site.

"musicians and their share of the spotlight."
To be honest I can't really comment on this. I listen to both the Music of the day posts and the Spotlights and I always considered the Music of the Day thing to just be like a long music post. (and not necessarily a lower quality one) As for the duplicates, well I've seen fairly few to be honest, I think you're exaggerating a bit.

"Drawfriends [...] Some things are getting in there 2 and 3 times."
While again, I did see some duplicates happen, it's really uncommon anyway.

"[...] if this is supposed to be the #1 site in the fandom" [...]
Says who? It's definitely very popular but it's still just a personal blog. You said it yourself! They define the standards they wish to follow.

"I really miss how the Drawfriends usually would be at night rather during the middle of the day."
Now this just shows a reckless disregard for your fellow peers. I for one like that the Drawfriends are in the evening now rather than in the middle of the night. America isn't the only continent on this planet. :)

"They aren't posting my stuff and others anymore because of their new standard of trying to showcase the top 15% of the fandom."
I think that's a good thing. The fandom has grown a lot, there's not denying that, and artists really improved over time. The "15%" is a value you took out of your hat because a lot of Drawfriend stuff is really under par at times (or of questionable nature). Regardless, there's a lot of amazing work that gets featured, and I'd rather see that instead of it getting lumped in with some really mediocre artwork, otherwise it'd be a free pass to popularity for everyone without putting much effort into it (and as I said, low-effort pics like that already got featured in Drawfriends). Second, I'm not sure how these pics get accepted or denied, but ART IS SUBJECTIVE and it's featured on a SUBJECTIVE blog, if you aren't satisfied with it, by all means, start your own better one.

"Now it's all thrown into the music of the day post which is insanely lazy to me."
What's the deal with this? The genres are listed next to the songs anyway, if anything, since the MotD posts, I got music from a lot of artists I haven't heard before.

"Group the "popular people" stuff into separate feature posts and assign them to specific days of the week."
While I appreciate the thought of this, I'm not sure it'd improve anything. Right now it's some artist's goals to get on a Drawfriend as a (subjective) indication of how good their art is. By making this separation, you're just telling them "Sorry, your art isn't good enough, but have this Not-really-drawfriend feature instead. Furthermore, EQD has done some artist training ground events which gave everyone a chance to shine, regardless of their quality.

"I also told them to hire more staff if they were concerned about so much new content coming into the site and they didn't want to do that."
Here I'd have to agree with you that the way EQD is run can be lazy at times, but again, it's a personal blog and Seth decides how it's run.

All in all, EQD isn't perfect, far from it, a lot of content is lazily filtered, other sites (like Derpy Hooves News) can provide much better news coverage then them, and so on, but bottom line is that there's noone that I know of which can do their job better.
As for this journal, while I appreciate some of the points you made, the whole thing is brought down by the fact that you made it because of a personal grudge you have against them for not featuring your comics on their PERSONAL, SUBJECTIVE blog. If you think you can do a better job, I eagerly await the opening of Toxiquestria Daily. :)
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:icontoxic-mario:
Toxic-Mario Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
damn pirill
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SezeTsamsaiyu Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013
If it really was a news site, then they would have policies about posting news. Case and point, my convention announces 3 voice actors in one press release and it doesn't get a post, but rather just thrown in a round up with other random convention notes, while a fellow con posts about opening a fanfiction contest, and it gets its own post. One person's blog.
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ArcCahlon Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I've never really visited the site, I do maybe once a month or so if I am bored and already checked out sites like here or derpibooru. I've had folks i known that have had trouble with the site and staff for well over a year (think nearly 2 years). I think what needs to be done is start a new site like EQD that focuses on everyone giving everyone the chance to be a part of it. the fact is right now EQD doesn't really have any competition in show casing the fandom.
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Tearahk Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
But now that you mention it, I have noticed a distinct change in their itenerary. They seem less focused on getting more people noticed, and more focused on showing off the already popular. I think that's why I stopped going there as much as I used to. I still go there for some news, and the cons that may be going on in my area, but beyond that, I rearely visit the site these days.
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Tearahk Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I never really notice what EQD does. Mostly cuz I don't go on there all too much. About the only thing I noticed is that they seem to love Trixie.
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DarthWill3 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's such a long journal, alright!
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:icondaniel-sg:
Daniel-SG Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm afraid I can't really comment on much of the issues with EqD (I think I might be one of the few fans who pretty much just ignores the site, so I don't have much knowledge of what goes on it and stuff), but from alot of the comments I hear about it, my image of it....less than positive.

I've been on the site to look at art only about 3 times. All the other times I've been on the site (all 2 of them), it's just to see any information about upcoming episodes. And even then, I've found other sites that do a much better job of that than EqD (Derpy Hooves News in particular).
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Ganondox Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
We agree with your sentiments, but the fanfiction part is an ass too, though at least you get some sort of response if you get rejected in fanfiction. Also, the "top %15" makes their be a severe drop in diversity. We really need to make a site for spotlighting minor artists who have their own flair or something.
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Alexstrazse Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I'm very curious to know how many of the people commenting on this journal have had something rejected from EQD. I'm remaining neutral on the subject for now, but it'd be an interesting stat to know.
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MasterRottweiler Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I see your point, I'm nowhere near as popular and/or good as other well-known artists but I've been featured several times before and after August 2012, so I think this is more like an organization problem rather than EQD staff favoring some individuals over the other ones IMO.
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Fesoferbex Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Professional General Artist
I have had 100% of my stuff accepted by them. I have no particular beef with them, but they do seem very disorganized. In the end it IS one man's blog, and he can do whatever the heck he wants. XD
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knight33 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013
The reason your comics don't get posted on EQD is because they are garbage. The jokes are bad, you reuse them, the artwork is poor, your attitude is awful (case in point here) and you have been disrespectful to many artists in the past behind their backs. I'm only only the second paragraph so far and you say "INDEPENDENT news sites". Independent of WHAT exactly? If you hate EQD go and fucking do it yourself. If you hate EQD so much why do you insist on your comics being on there? People who care about your comics are already following you, you don't need more promotion. You've been posted on EQD more times than almost anyone else, which is what gave you your ill-attained audience.

Grow the fuck up. You're acting like an entitled 13 year old, but you're 23.
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SillyMewse Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Could not have said that any better dude.
Not too add he constantly says he's not into it for the popularity, yet he's now forcing his shit comics down our throats on other websites to make up for the lack of posts making it on EQD, let alone the latter happening.

He's never going too get better because he's too far up his own arse trying to gain popularity.
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:iconsovietbronyx:
SovietBronyX Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013
you could not be more right
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:iconfesoferbex:
Fesoferbex Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Professional General Artist
nah, he isn't acting like a 13 year old, haven't you heard? Jarrod is the element of hate. Oh yeah and he's from New York, so it's pretty easy to get him wound up about things.
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:iconohcf:
OHCF Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013
LOL, true that.
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:iconiamli3:
iamli3 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013
" I know the site is more “business like” now but that’s just not true at all because it’s STILL A BLOG and whatever one guy says goes. That’s not a business like site….it’s borderline dictatorship if you have that much power on what is suppose to be a FAN BASED site. "
uh what exactly did you thought a business was?......
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:iconfesoferbex:
Fesoferbex Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Professional General Artist
Are you suggesting that businesses are dictatorships? That would be a ridiculous assertion.
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